Meeting Minutes/2020-04-20 Regular Meeting
Trustroots Meeting
Date: 2020-04-20 17:00 UTC+2 Facilitator: Nick Participants: Nick, Noah, Philipp, Martin, Mikael, Ludo
Agenda
- hellos / check-ins
- non-binary translation issue (nick)
- background
- (someone translated “non-binary” into “unsure”)
- https://trustroots.slack.com/archives/C01217E3M2M/p1587377631000500
- https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/trustroots/users/nb_NO/?&offset=38#comments
- aspect 1 : that specific case where the meaning of the translated text should match the meaning of the source text
- online norwegian dictionary: https://snl.no/ikke-bin%C3%A6r
- says it’s an ongoing process of change and more and more people are identifying as non-binary
- Mikael already replied on the thread
- got reverted by the person
- Mikael favours jumping into calls in these cases
- although doesn’t leave a trail
- doesn’t have time personally
- many layers of issues here
- imposing views in a translation tool
- Mikael would be up for making it very clear it’s not ok if seems useful
- Martin/Mikael will contact their Norwegian friends, and Mikael will revert the change again with a more extensive explanation
- nick investigated the permission options in weblate, and we could switch our project to more closed model, and only invite specific people to translate
- would not suggest it right now, as it’s nice to keep it as open as possible
- question about whether we have any feature that lets people contact us about translation or other content issues on the site (e.g. relating to inclusive language):
- translation is very new, and not yet on the site
- directing people to contact support, and making it more visible
- can encourage people more to express their opinion
- Martin finds the comment tool in weblate useful to markup things that are complicated. would be useful if the comment could show up for all the languages/translators, unclear if that feature eists
- online norwegian dictionary: https://snl.no/ikke-bin%C3%A6r
- aspect 2 : how to handle conflict in general (could be in any aspect of trustroots)
- big topic!
- support team already has some discussions/approaches about how to deal with this
- to bring people into a chat, and have both of them show their opinion and discuss with a third party to find a compromise. Probably not efficient for highly polarized progressive political debate.
- maybe bring the conflict to the general slack channel to share it and to gain and learn from solving it together. Needs skilled moderation! Noah could try it.
- note: in this particular case the I believe the person has refused to join slack because it is not open source (but we could find another place)
- Code of conduct: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/blob/a6114484a33a0275252261c81fba7c06b7aacdd1/CONTRIBUTING.md
- aspect 3 : a gender-expression-denying person who is might be spreading that perspective into a load of FOSS projects without anyone really knowing (users or maintainers) * I doubt a lot are able to check this stuff (without @Martin’s keen eye, I don’t think any of us would have ever found out)
- nick finds it very problematic
- Mikael would like to flag it to weblate: [email protected]
- background
- references next steps (nick, …)
- changes to existing UI: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/pull/1389
- add public feedback UI: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/pull/1413
- read references UI…
- old work at: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/pull/918
- needs new work to incorporate discussed changes in https://codi.kanthaus.online/trustroots-references
- can merge something very soon, as we can change it later, currently references will not be on live site even if master as they are behind a flag
- could be nice to prepare blog post that can be published when it’s ready… if somebody wanted to do that
- issue with https://www.trustroots.org/support ? not appearing in zendesk? (Philipp)
- sometimes has some spam issues (as the server sends it from your email address)
- sometimes things go into “suspended tickets” folder, although currently empty * sometimes when people write messages why they are stopping hosting
- Noah received 3 emails saying a ticket was written, but they didn’t arrive in zendesk
- react refactoring update (Mikael)
- high level tracking issue, needs updating: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/issues/1334
- Mikael to focus on map refactoring when time allows
- would like a balance of feature development and refactoring
- state management will come soon!
Action points and outcomes
- Martin/Mikael will contact their Norwegian friends to canvas for perspectives on the non-binary term in Norwegian culture
- following that Mikael will revert the change again and provide a more extensive explanation
- we intend to contact weblate about the topic once we’re a bit further advanced with our process
- Noah has volunteered to try moderating a (text-based?) chat with the person, we leave that option open for consideration for now
- Mikael happy to debug support email issue Philipp reported
- Nick will update the react overview issue #1334 to bring it closer to reality
Next meeting
Next Date: 2020-04-27 17:00 UTC+2 / CEST
Next Facilitator: ?