Zeemax deletion case - Revision history

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Protected "Zeemax deletion case": The investigation is over. To avoid timed edits. ([edit=sysop] (expires 19:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)) [move=sysop] (expires 19:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC))) [cascading]

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SitaraneOld: /* Chronology of the facts */

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Chronology of the facts

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	*From Maya's email: 25 jan. Maya receives a mail from MDST saying that future reference to her person in Zeemax's post will be considered harassment. They suggest her to let them know if that happens. They also say that if she refers to him, whether in response to his posts or not, they will not help her. In that message, there is no mention that the penalty for referring to Maya is deletion of profile.		*From Maya's email: 25 jan. Maya receives a mail from MDST saying that future reference to her person in Zeemax's post will be considered harassment. They suggest her to let them know if that happens. They also say that if she refers to him, whether in response to his posts or not, they will not help her. In that message, there is no mention that the penalty for referring to Maya is deletion of profile.
	:~~Why~~ the ~~gap of one month~~?		:One month after the facts?

	*Zeemax siaetJM: Zeemax respects the advice all through the year. Mainly by falling out of sight.		*Zeemax siaetJM: Zeemax respects the advice all through the year. Mainly by falling out of sight.

SitaraneOld: /* Reliability */

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Reliability

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	===Reliability===		===Reliability===

	The only sources are the threads and my private communication with the people involved. Through careful lies or bending of the truth, it is possible that one or more of the involved people skew the picture. ~~I will assess~~ the ~~likeliness~~ of ~~that around~~ the ~~end~~.		The only sources are the threads and my private communication with the people involved. Through careful lies or bending of the truth, it is possible that one or more of the involved people skew the picture.

			So far, both parties have provided me a lot of information. At no point the information from one side contradicts the information on the other. The only place where there could have been data forgery is on the date of the "no mentioning the name" MDST message. Zeemax doesn't know when it was sent and Maya claims it was sent 1 month after the fact, which is a bit long.

	==Argument==		==Argument==

SitaraneOld: /* Conclusion */

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Conclusion

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	The following is to be sent to MDST by Zeemax:		The following is to be sent to MDST by Zeemax:

			===Elements===
	*Zeemax can be accused of harrasment on Maya. But the opposite may be true. The amount of content that one needs to analyse in order to figure out who started it is astronomical.		*Zeemax can be accused of harrasment on Maya. But the opposite may be true. The amount of content that one needs to analyse in order to figure out who started it is astronomical.
	*Zeemax received the "capital penalty" of CS while he had not commited a capital abuse.		*Zeemax received the "capital penalty" of CS while he had not commited a capital abuse.
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	*It is possible that the MDST volunteer that carried out the sentence was not aware of the fact that the group was moderated.		*It is possible that the MDST volunteer that carried out the sentence was not aware of the fact that the group was moderated.

			===Procedure===
	*Maya was never told that if she reported Zeemax mentioning her name to the MDST, it would entail the deletion of Zeemax's profile		*Maya was never told that if she reported Zeemax mentioning her name to the MDST, it would entail the deletion of Zeemax's profile
	*Zeemax was not informed that if he was to ever post the name of Maya, the consequence would be deletion.		*Zeemax was not informed that if he was to ever post the name of Maya, the consequence would be deletion.
	*I'm confident that, had they known, they would have acted differently.		*I'm confident that, had they known, they would have acted differently.

			===Conclusion===
	*Zeemax should be given back his profile and face the moderation of the group.		*Zeemax should be given back his profile and face the moderation of the group.

SitaraneOld: /* Conclusion */

2009-11-16T13:12:23Z

Conclusion

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	*Zeemax was not informed that if he was to ever post the name of Maya, the consequence would be deletion.		*Zeemax was not informed that if he was to ever post the name of Maya, the consequence would be deletion.
	*I'm confident that, had they known, they would have acted differently.		*I'm confident that, had they known, they would have acted differently.


	*Zeemax should be given back his profile and face the moderation of the group.		*Zeemax should be given back his profile and face the moderation of the group.

SitaraneOld at 13:11, 16 November 2009

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 It can be argued that MDST should have first gotten in contact with the moderator before acting at all. It might have been done, but I know that in more recent deletion cases they bypass even active moderation.
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85.177.236.12: /* Chronology of the facts */

2009-11-14T16:20:51Z

Chronology of the facts

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	BACKGROUND: In the thread [http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=528&post=2029336 What is terrorism], Maya and Zeemax get involved in a personal fight.		BACKGROUND: In the thread [http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=528&post=2029336 What is terrorism], Maya and Zeemax get involved in a personal fight.

	*From the thread: Maya calls Zeemax by his given name, that is not apparent on his profile and that he claims he wants to stay confidential. She also states the quality of his occupation in a very vague way.		*From the thread: [http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=528&post=2029336 Maya calls Zeemax by his given name], that is not apparent on his profile and that he claims he wants to stay confidential. She also states the quality of his occupation in a very vague way.
	:Maya knew the name through previous email exchange with Zeemax, and claims to have seachengined his occupation.		:Maya knew the name through previous email exchange with Zeemax, and claims to have seachengined his occupation.

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	*Zeemax says in an email to Julien (Moderator) : Dec 2008, Zeemax does a MDST complaint about the publishing and forwarding of personal details by Maya.		*Zeemax says in an email to Julien (Moderator) : Dec 2008, Zeemax does a MDST complaint about the publishing and forwarding of personal details by Maya.
	~~[http://www.couchsurfing.org/group_read.html?gid=528&post=2029336]~~
	~~:Maya mentioned Zeemax's given name in the public thread.~~

	*Zeemax siaetJM: MDST reply on 17 Dec 2008 that they "have issued a very serious warning to the member in question."		*Zeemax siaetJM: MDST reply on 17 Dec 2008 that they "have issued a very serious warning to the member in question."

Zeemax: Undo revision 1301 by 85.102.208.47 (Talk)

2009-11-14T03:08:06Z

Undo revision 1301 by 85.102.208.47 (Talk)

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85.102.208.47: /* What is terrorism */

2009-11-13T17:23:08Z

What is terrorism

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