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	* following that Mikael will revert the change again and provide a more extensive explanation		* following that Mikael will revert the change again and provide a more extensive explanation
	* we intend to contact weblate about the topic once we’re a bit further advanced with our process		* we intend to contact weblate about the topic once we’re a bit further advanced with our process
	* Noah has volunteered to try moderating a (text-based?) chat with ~~the person~~, ~~we leave that option open for consideration for now~~		* Noah has volunteered to try moderating a (text-based?) chat with conflicting parties, generally
	* Mikael happy to debug support email issue Philipp reported		* Mikael happy to debug support email issue Philipp reported
	* Nick will update the react overview issue #1334 to bring it closer to reality		* Nick will update the react overview issue #1334 to bring it closer to reality

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Trustroots Meeting

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	Date: 2020-04-20 17:00 UTC+2 Facilitator: Nick Participants: Nick, Noah, Philipp, Martin, Mikael, Ludo		* Date: 2020-04-20 17:00 UTC+2
			* Facilitator: Nick
			* Participants: Nick, Noah, Philipp, Martin, Mikael, Ludo

	== Agenda ==		== Agenda ==

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Next meeting

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	Next Date: 2020-04-27 17:00 UTC+2 / CEST Next Facilitator: ?		Next Date: 2020-04-27 17:00 UTC+2 / CEST

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Date: 2020-04-20 17:00 UTC+2 Facilitator: Nick Participants: Nick, Noah, Philipp, Martin, Mikael, Ludo

== Agenda ==

* hellos / check-ins
* non-binary translation issue (nick)
** background
*** (someone translated “non-binary” into “unsure”)
*** https://trustroots.slack.com/archives/C01217E3M2M/p1587377631000500
*** https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/trustroots/users/nb_NO/?&offset=38#comments
** aspect 1 : that specific case where the meaning of the translated text should match the meaning of the source text
*** online norwegian dictionary: https://snl.no/ikke-bin%C3%A6r
**** says it’s an ongoing process of change and more and more people are identifying as non-binary
*** Mikael already replied on the thread
*** got reverted by the person
*** Mikael favours jumping into calls in these cases
**** although doesn’t leave a trail
**** doesn’t have time personally
*** many layers of issues here
**** imposing views in a translation tool
*** Mikael would be up for making it very clear it’s not ok if seems useful
*** Martin/Mikael will contact their Norwegian friends, and Mikael will revert the change again with a more extensive explanation
*** nick investigated the permission options in weblate, and we could switch our project to more closed model, and only invite specific people to translate
**** would not suggest it right now, as it’s nice to keep it as open as possible
*** question about whether we have any feature that lets people contact us about translation or other content issues on the site (e.g. relating to inclusive language):
**** translation is very new, and not yet on the site
**** directing people to contact support, and making it more visible
**** can encourage people more to express their opinion
**** Martin finds the comment tool in weblate useful to markup things that are complicated. would be useful if the comment could show up for all the languages/translators, unclear if that feature eists
** aspect 2 : how to handle conflict in general (could be in any aspect of trustroots)
*** big topic!
*** support team already has some discussions/approaches about how to deal with this
*** to bring people into a chat, and have both of them show their opinion and discuss with a third party to find a compromise. Probably not efficient for highly polarized progressive political debate.
*** maybe bring the conflict to the general slack channel to share it and to gain and learn from solving it together. Needs skilled moderation! Noah could try it.
**** note: in this particular case the I believe the person has refused to join slack because it is not open source (but we could find another place)
*** Code of conduct: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/blob/a6114484a33a0275252261c81fba7c06b7aacdd1/CONTRIBUTING.md
** aspect 3 : a gender-expression-denying person who is might be spreading that perspective into a load of FOSS projects without anyone really knowing (users or maintainers) * I doubt a lot are able to check this stuff (without @Martin’s keen eye, I don’t think any of us would have ever found out)
*** nick finds it very problematic
*** Mikael would like to flag it to weblate: support@weblate.org
* references next steps (nick, …)
** changes to existing UI: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/pull/1389
** add public feedback UI: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/pull/1413
** read references UI…
*** old work at: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/pull/918
*** needs new work to incorporate discussed changes in https://codi.kanthaus.online/trustroots-references
*** can merge something very soon, as we can change it later, currently references will not be on live site even if master as they are behind a flag
** could be nice to prepare blog post that can be published when it’s ready… if somebody wanted to do that
* issue with https://www.trustroots.org/support ? not appearing in zendesk? (Philipp)
** sometimes has some spam issues (as the server sends it from your email address)
** sometimes things go into “suspended tickets” folder, although currently empty * sometimes when people write messages why they are stopping hosting
** Noah received 3 emails saying a ticket was written, but they didn’t arrive in zendesk
* react refactoring update (Mikael)
** high level tracking issue, needs updating: https://github.com/Trustroots/trustroots/issues/1334
** Mikael to focus on map refactoring when time allows
** would like a balance of feature development and refactoring
** state management will come soon!

== Action points and outcomes ==

* Martin/Mikael will contact their Norwegian friends to canvas for perspectives on the non-binary term in Norwegian culture
* following that Mikael will revert the change again and provide a more extensive explanation
* we intend to contact weblate about the topic once we’re a bit further advanced with our process
* Noah has volunteered to try moderating a (text-based?) chat with the person, we leave that option open for consideration for now
* Mikael happy to debug support email issue Philipp reported
* Nick will update the react overview issue #1334 to bring it closer to reality

== Next meeting ==

Next Date: 2020-04-27 17:00 UTC+2 / CEST Next Facilitator: ?

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