'''nostr''' is Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays. It's a decentralized protocol where users don't have accounts anywhere, they just have a private key (<tt>nsec</tt>) and a public key (<tt>npub</tt>). User data is stored on relays, a pretty lightweight and simple server.

We're working on moving trustroots onto nostr.

== Trust on nostr ==
;What is the usual way to collect user feedback in nostr? Is there anything that can be considered sort of "trust-graphy" that allows you to see whose notes you can trust? It seems nostr people call it web of trust

"following" is considered an indication of trust, but this is just thinking of it as a twitter like network.

"following" is an interesting feature for trustroots, it's something I would have wanted for a long time to make it easier to stay in touch with people, and connect them with others, but it doesn't cover the current trust features we have

"contacts" is similar but both ways and it doesn't convey much trust anyway (should even disallow requesting/adding contacts if there's no message exchange, which happens...)

"experiences" could be ported to nostr, but it's probably nicer to try something, something [[User:Guaka|guaka]] ([[User talk:Guaka|talk]]) wanted to try for a long time already: following/trusting someone with a specific circle/hashtag. A bit like linkedin allows your contacts to upvote your skills.

For good friends it would be pretty easy to see which circles they belong to (which #hashtags they used) and then the user can upvote that. Even simpler. It would be easy to start experimenting with NIP-25 kind 7 nostr notes (e.g. thumbs up/down style reactions). This feature has already been requested for https://tripch.at/
This makes for a simple experiment. Calculate local (i.e. looking from the network from the POV of the user) and global [[trust metrics]] based on these reactions.

== Circles ==

Some circles will have apps that can stand on their own, we're about to see this with https://hitchwiki.github.io/hitchmap-nostr/ soon at maps.hitchwiki.org

[[Lightfoot]]

We never had a forum, or groups (like couchsurfing, bewelcome, or reddit), and what you see a lot in such situations is that the person who first grabs the group, name, will consider that their little fiefdom. So I'm not really attracted to nip-72, in a way de facto sysadmins will rule (over the relays), but this is limited as these days many people have the capacity to run a relay.

[[User:Guaka|guaka]] ([[User talk:Guaka|talk]]) would rather organically (or fafo) figure out some stuff by using nip7 reactions and trust relations between npubs.

Guaka:

Nostrwiki

2025-10-15T08:26:32Z

Guaka: Created page with "{{stub}} Nostrwiki, how to do wikis on nostr, properly. Wikifreedia is a noteworthy attempt towards wiki on nostr: https://github.com/pablof7z/wiki Guaka would probably take a completely different approach, working from and building upon a mediawiki context, and using 2 decades of experience building active wikis. For nostroots we will need to solve trust on nostr, this is a core issue of nostroots. While doing this, the trust needed for wiki style collaborati..."

RealSocial

2025-10-15T08:14:36Z

Guaka:

{{stub}}

In 2025 it looks straightforward to work towards a '''RealSocial''' ecosystem:

== nostr ==

[[nostr]] enables any developer to build software and then any user can choose whether to use that software, and there is no need to ask permission or to get 1000s of users for it to be useful

Example: for [[lightfoot]] we'll start a (probably client-side only web) app, that is adjacent to trustroots.. so it does trustroots nip5, but this is not a requirement. We can probably quickly get ~100 people interested in the idea. In this case I'm actually "inside" trustroots and nostr isn't essential, but it can be a nice example, to inspire other devs/groups to do similar things.

== (r)evolutionize social apps ===

Nostr client-side web apps are super forkable, so I see a potential pattern here similar to how the wiki idea changed encyclopedia and knowledge bases... this can change the idea how people think about software and more specifically social apps. (Ideally, while also killing the dominance of meta, X and other centralized corporate bullshit...)

== nostroots ==

With trustroots we have 130k+ users who are fundamentally interested in RealSocial apps.

== 2008 ==

=== RealSocial.org ===

Social networks are hot. MySpace, Facebook. Google recently wanted to open the market with its OpenSocial. Which made me think, are these efforts really social? Is Facebook a real social network? I think not

So I grabbed realsocial.org which is currently just an alias. But I will put up a wiki with my (and your?) ideas about what real social networks are. I’m thinking of distinguishing Real Social and real social networks.

I’d consider CouchSurfing, BookCrossing, and all current ride share websites that I’m aware of, as real social networks. They lead to real life connections or actual forms of exchange, with less time spent offline than online.

I could think of three that would fit my criteria for being Real Social: BeWelcome, [2006/7, pre-shitcoin] Ripple and Hitchwiki. The capitalization comes from the way the networks, its organization and the software is developed.

=== more ===

2008: "Social networks are hot. MySpace, Facebook. Google recently wanted to open the market with its OpenSocial. Which made me think, are these efforts really social? Is Facebook a real social network? I think not

So I grabbed realsocial.org which is currently just an alias. But I will put up a wiki with my (and your?) ideas about what real social networks are. I’m thinking of distinguishing Real Social and real social networks."

* https://guaka.org/2007/12/01/i-grabbed-realsocialorg/
* https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Real_Social
* https://web.archive.org/web/20090326080816/http://realsocial.org/

RealSocial

2025-10-15T08:11:15Z

Guaka: salvaged

'''RealSocial'''

== 2008 ==

=== RealSocial.org ===

Social networks are hot. MySpace, Facebook. Google recently wanted to open the market with its OpenSocial. Which made me think, are these efforts really social? Is Facebook a real social network? I think not

So I grabbed realsocial.org which is currently just an alias. But I will put up a wiki with my (and your?) ideas about what real social networks are. I’m thinking of distinguishing Real Social and real social networks.

I’d consider CouchSurfing, BookCrossing, and all current ride share websites that I’m aware of, as real social networks. They lead to real life connections or actual forms of exchange, with less time spent offline than online.

I could think of three that would fit my criteria for being Real Social: BeWelcome, [2006/7, pre-shitcoin] Ripple and Hitchwiki. The capitalization comes from the way the networks, its organization and the software is developed.

=== more ===

2008: "Social networks are hot. MySpace, Facebook. Google recently wanted to open the market with its OpenSocial. Which made me think, are these efforts really social? Is Facebook a real social network? I think not

So I grabbed realsocial.org which is currently just an alias. But I will put up a wiki with my (and your?) ideas about what real social networks are. I’m thinking of distinguishing Real Social and real social networks."

* https://guaka.org/2007/12/01/i-grabbed-realsocialorg/
* https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Real_Social
* https://web.archive.org/web/20090326080816/http://realsocial.org/

SHE

2025-10-15T08:09:35Z

Guaka: /* See also */

'''She''' stands for a concept called Sustainable Hospitality Exchange.

* SHE is an idea that is shared by many. It is not just about hospitality exchange but also about how it is facilitated, both on a personal, a communal and on a network level. At the core of SHE is the praxis of sharing. Keywords are: trust, interconnectivity, caring, sharing, passion, meaning.
* SHE is also a concept. Its idea is to help making hospitality exchange sustainable, i.e. it is generated by itself. It is a concept to help foster debate about the meaning of hospitality exchange.
* SHE is also Open Space Conference to share experiences, knowledge and ideas about Sustainable Hospitality Exchange. Open Space meetings create time and space for participants to engage deeply and creatively around issues that concern them. The agenda is set by the participants who bring forward topics they would like to learn more about or discuss.

A She conference [http://www.bevolunteer.org/wiki/Category:SHE took place] in June 2008 in [[Amsterdam]]. A second She meeting [http://sharewiki.org/en/she_goes_mad takes place] in [[Berlin]], November 2009.

==Background==
SHE is a concept. Its idea is to help making hospitality exchange sustainable, i.e. it is generated by itself, through the conditions it shapes.

Hospitality Exchange is the process of interaction between host and guest, possibly facilitated by transparent trust networks. How can these networks best be implemented to facilitate sharing nicely among 'strangers'. Plus, how sustainable are these networks?

What do we mean with sustainability? Sustainable can mean different things. First of all the concept of endurance, future existence and continuity. It also includes respect towards surroundings, environment, members, society etc.

One of the methods to discuss the concept of She is to create an [[Open Space]] conference to share experiences, knowledge and ideas about sustainable hospitality exchange. Open Space technology meetings create time and space for people to engage deeply and creatively around issues that concern them. The agenda is set by the participants who bring forward topics they would like to learn more about or discuss.

==See also==
* sharewiki.org/en/she
[[nomad:She]]

[[Category:Concepts]]

Realsocial

2025-10-15T08:08:08Z

Guaka: Guaka moved page Realsocial to RealSocial

#REDIRECT [[RealSocial]]

RealSocial

2025-10-15T08:08:08Z

Guaka: Guaka moved page Realsocial to RealSocial

'''RealSocial'''

* https://guaka.org/2007/12/01/i-grabbed-realsocialorg/
* https://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Real_Social
* https://web.archive.org/web/20090326080816/http://realsocial.org/